Top 49 Prospects: Cleveland Baseball Team
Below is an analysis of the prospects in Cleveland’s farm system. Scouting reports were compiled with information provided by industry sources as well as my own observations. As there was no minor league season in 2020, there are some instances where no new information was gleaned about a player. Players whose write-ups have not been altered begin by telling you so. For the others, the blurb ends with an indication of where the player played in 2020, which in turn likely informed the changes to their report. As always, I’ve leaned more heavily on sources from outside the org than within for reasons of objectivity. Because outside scouts were not allowed at the alternate sites, I’ve primarily focused on data from there. Lastly, in effort to more clearly indicate relievers’ anticipated roles, you’ll see two reliever designations, both in lists and on The Board: MIRP, or multi-inning relief pitcher, and SIRP, or single-inning relief pitcher.
For more information on the 20-80 scouting scale by which all of our prospect content is governed, you can click here. For further explanation of Future Value’s merits and drawbacks, read Future Value.
All of the numbered prospects here also appear on The Board, a resource the site offers featuring sortable scouting information for every organization. It can be found here.
Editor’s note: Josh Wolf and Isaiah Greene were added to this list following their trade to Cleveland as part of the Francisco Lindor deal.
Angel Genao was added to this list after he agreed to a deal with Cleveland on January 15.
| Rk | Name | Age | Highest Level | Position | ETA | FV |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Nolan Jones | 22.7 | AA | LF | 2021 | 50 |
| 2 | Triston McKenzie | 23.5 | MLB | SP | 2021 | 50 |
| 3 | George Valera | 20.2 | A | RF | 2022 | 50 |
| 4 | Brayan Rocchio | 20.0 | A- | SS | 2022 | 50 |
| 5 | Tyler Freeman | 21.7 | A+ | 2B | 2022 | 50 |
| 6 | Daniel Espino | 20.0 | A- | SP | 2022 | 50 |
| 7 | Bo Naylor | 20.9 | A | C | 2023 | 50 |
| 8 | Aaron Bracho | 19.7 | A- | 2B | 2024 | 45+ |
| 9 | Gabriel Arias | 20.9 | A+ | SS | 2021 | 45+ |
| 10 | Lenny Torres | 20.3 | R | SP | 2023 | 45 |
| 11 | Angel Martinez | 19.0 | R | SS | 2023 | 45 |
| 12 | Ethan Hankins | 20.6 | A | SP | 2023 | 45 |
| 13 | Sam Hentges | 24.5 | AA | SIRP | 2021 | 45 |
| 14 | Owen Miller | 24.2 | AA | SS | 2021 | 45 |
| 15 | Carlos Vargas | 21.3 | A- | SIRP | 2023 | 45 |
| 16 | Daniel Johnson Jr. | 25.5 | MLB | RF | 2021 | 45 |
| 17 | Joey Cantillo | 21.1 | A+ | SP | 2022 | 45 |
| 18 | Emmanuel Clase | 22.8 | MLB | SIRP | 2020 | 40+ |
| 19 | Carson Tucker | 19.0 | R | SS | 2025 | 40+ |
| 20 | Tanner Burns | 22.0 | R | SP | 2024 | 40+ |
| 21 | Logan Allen | 22.4 | R | SP | 2024 | 40+ |
| 22 | Petey Halpin | 18.6 | R | CF | 2025 | 40+ |
| 23 | Junior Sanquintin | 19.0 | R | SS | 2023 | 40+ |
| 24 | Nick Mikolajchak | 23.2 | A- | SIRP | 2023 | 40+ |
| 25 | Josh Wolf | 20.4 | R | SIRP | 2024 | 40+ |
| 26 | Cody Morris | 24.2 | A+ | MIRP | 2022 | 40+ |
| 27 | Gabriel Rodriguez | 18.9 | R | 3B | 2023 | 40+ |
| 28 | Isaiah Greene | 19.4 | R | CF | 2025 | 40 |
| 29 | Hunter Gaddis | 22.8 | A- | MIRP | 2023 | 40 |
| 30 | Bryan Lavastida | 22.1 | A | C | 2022 | 40 |
| 31 | Richard Palacios | 23.7 | A | 2B | 2022 | 40 |
| 32 | Jose Tena | 19.8 | R | SS | 2024 | 40 |
| 33 | Trevor Stephan | 25.1 | AA | SIRP | 2021 | 40 |
| 34 | Jose Fermin | 21.8 | A | SS | 2023 | 40 |
| 35 | Milan Tolentino | 19.2 | R | SS | 2025 | 40 |
| 36 | Raymond Burgos | 22.1 | A | MIRP | 2021 | 40 |
| 37 | Bobby Bradley | 24.6 | MLB | DH | 2019 | 40 |
| 38 | Alexfri Planez | 19.4 | R | RF | 2024 | 40 |
| 39 | Angel Genao | 16.7 | R | SS | 2021 | 40 |
| 40 | Yordys Valdes | 19.4 | R | SS | 2024 | 35+ |
| 41 | Cameron Hill | 26.6 | MLB | SIRP | 2021 | 35+ |
| 42 | Eli Morgan | 24.7 | AAA | MIRP | 2021 | 35+ |
| 43 | Robert Broom | 24.3 | AA | SIRP | 2021 | 35+ |
| 44 | Nick Sandlin | 24.0 | AAA | SIRP | 2020 | 35+ |
| 45 | Scott Moss | 26.3 | AAA | MIRP | 2020 | 35+ |
| 46 | Jean Carlos Mejia | 24.4 | A+ | SP | 2020 | 35+ |
| 47 | Jhonkensy Noel | 19.5 | R | 1B | 2022 | 35+ |
| 48 | Adam Scott | 25.3 | AA | SIRP | 2022 | 35+ |
| 49 | Steven Kwan | 23.4 | A+ | CF | 2022 | 35+ |
Other Prospects of Note
Grouped by type and listed in order of preference within each category.
Young Hit Tool Sleepers
Luis Durango Jr., OF
Jose Pastrano, SS
Jonathan Lopez, 3B
Dayan Frias, INF
Victor Nova, 3B
Christian Cairo, 2B
Joe Naranjo, 1B
The most common Cleveland prospect trope is the contact-oriented infielder; here are several more. Durango, whose father played in the ’09 Futures Game, has a tweener fourth outfielder vibe but could be a regular if he ends up with a plus bat. He signed for $500,000 last year and needed Tommy John in 2020. Pastrano signed for $1.5 million last year. He’s a switch-hitting infielder with advanced feel for contact and a medium frame but scouts who saw him in the Fall of 2020 didn’t think he had big-league explosion. Lopez was sent to Mahoning Valley at 19 and dealt with some injuries last year. He has a sweet lefty swing and I think he has had some of his playing time crowded out by other talented youngsters in this system. Frias is another short-levered, switch-hitting infielder with feel for contact. He’s been playing in the Colombian Winter League. Nova is a powerfully-built 5-foot-9, has feel to hit, a somewhat advanced idea of the strike zone, and well-regarded makeup. He plays multiple positions — 2B/3B/OF — but none all that well. He’s an interesting bat-first flier who was taken on from San Diego in the three-team Trevor Bauer deal. Cairo is Miguel Cairo’s son. I think he has a utility ceiling based on the tools. Naranjo was a SoCal pop-up bat who needs to get there by way of an elite hit tool. He doesn’t have much power projection so the contact has to carry the whole profile à la Jake Bauers’ prospectdom, and Naranjo still looked very raw in the Fall of 2020.
40-Man Depth Arms
Kyle Nelson, LHP
Jerson Ramirez, RHP
Juan Mota, RHP
Xzavion Curry, LHP
Kirk McCarty, LHP
Mason Hickman, RHP
Nelson will show you a 70-grade breaking ball once in a while but righty batters see the ball for a long time against him, even though he appears to hide it well. He only throws about 90 mph, and I think he’d need a third pitch to be more than a LOOGY. Ramirez, 22, throws fairly hard (up to 95) and is really athletic, but his body is maxed out. Mota will show you 93-96 with a plus slider but he has 30 control. Curry was drafted out of Georgia Tech with a shoulder injury. His fastball isn’t all that hard but has tough angle, and this org is good at making pitchers throw harder. The same is true for Hickman. His fastball has perfect backspin but he was only 87-89 when I saw him with Vanderbilt in the spring. McCarty’s report is unchanged from last year: he’s another lefty whose fastball has huge carry and misses bats even though it’s 88-92. His breaking ball has vertical action.
Toolsy, but Contact/Profile Concerns
Yainer Diaz, C
Quentin Holmes, CF
Will Benson, RF
Oscar Gonzalez, RF
Diaz moves to the front of this group after a decent Instructional League showing. He has warts but hits the ball really hard. The others here don’t make enough contact to be on the main section of the list. Holmes has elite speed, Benson elite power and arm strength. Both of them are lauded for their makeup, but I just don’t think either will hit enough to play in the big leagues consistently. Benson might TTO his way there. Gonzalez swings at everything but has plus power. All of these guys are in their early-20s.
System Overview
As always, Cleveland has some clear talent acquisition tendencies that they execute well and combine with fantastic player development (especially on the pitching side) to keep this system flush with talent. It’s really what enables the big league club to compete even though the front office can’t spend a lot of money. Let’s talk through those tendencies. First, this org usually drafts younger high schoolers. The closer to 17 the player is on draft day, the more likely they are to be picked by Cleveland. This proclivity seems to also have a geographical bent, as the team loves to take high school hitters from areas of high talent concentration, especially Southern California. These high schoolers often have a contact-centric profile, though the club’s approach to acquiring bat-to-ball talent (usually that switch-hits) is more extreme on the international side, where other clubs think Cleveland keeps diligent statistics that drive their decision making.
Cleveland also seems adept at understanding which pitchers they can fix or optimize, not just through velocity training but through pitch design and repertoire usage. They’re great at drafting college performers and tweaking something about them that enables them to compete at the upper-levels of pro ball.
We need to talk about Francisco Lindor. Remember, I’m the guy who took him ahead of Mookie Betts during our site’s 2019 franchise player draft. It’s horrendous that the club should trade a bonafide superstar whose smile shines like Archimedes’ Mirror. But since it appears as though they will, let’s examine how they’ll need to do it. It’s likely one of Lavastida or Diaz will break out and need to go on the 40-man. Palacios will have a season to prove he should, too. The entire 2017 international class (Bracho, Rocchio, Tena, Valera, Planez) plus Tyler Freeman needs to be added. And Cody Morris, Joey Cantillo, and both sidearm relievers do as well.
Not all of those players will pan out in the next 11 months, and someone who is currently on the big league roster will likely be non-tendered next year. But there are just too many viable prospects whose 40-man timelines start next year for Cleveland to avoid a crunch. Any package in return for Lindor either needs to a) involve quality over quantity or b) involve several really young players nowhere near the 40-man, or else they’ll need to package some of their current and future 40-man guys in other trades over the next few months. Based on how Cleveland has operated when trading established big leaguers lately (and given how other teams are behaving in similar circumstances), I expect they’ll choose the second option.
Does that make any team a particularly good fit? St. Louis has a pretty sizable contingent of recent high school draftees, including model-friendly, power-hitting third baseman Jordan Walker. The Cardinals also have a glut of upper-level outfielders who might fit into Cleveland’s platoon-heavy strategy (Bader, Thomas, O’Neill, etc.). The Angels have also taken a lot of the younger high schoolers available in recent drafts (Kyren Paris, David Calabrese) but their financial situation seems precarious after the way their owner behaved last year. Perhaps then San Francisco’s young, deep international contingent (Marco Luciano might be untouchable but a few of Luis Toribio, Luis Matos, etc. could be enticing) and rumored financial health is a better fit, but they’re probably too early in the rebuild to start cashing in prospects, even if it is for someone like Lindor. Maybe. Regardless, it’s an unenviable needle to have to thread, no matter how well this org has played in recent years nor how sustainable their success appears to be.
Eric Longenhagen is from Catasauqua, PA and currently lives in Tempe, AZ. He spent four years working for the Phillies Triple-A affiliate, two with Baseball Info Solutions and two contributing to prospect coverage at ESPN.com. Previous work can also be found at Sports On Earth, CrashburnAlley and Prospect Insider.
Seems to me the Cleveland Baseball Team’s goal for 2021 is to win their division with a losing record, just like a certain Football Team just did.
Just neighing.
They will throw away these players in due time, so mine as well make them MLB prospects and not Cleveland prospects
*Cleveland INDIANS they didn’t change their name yet.
True Story. The writer loses creditability by trying to skirt the truth himself.
I understand wanting to use the current name, but being annoyed at a point the writer is making in no way undermines his credibility.
There is a writer on cbssports that has been refusing to use the name Indians for the past few years, I quit reading any of his articles.
we are all very happy for you
Why? Are you such a snowflake you can’t handle people refusing to use ridiculous names for teams?
It has to do with not supporting someone who is wrong.
I’m going to go out on a limb and assume you support someone else who is very, very often wrong.
You’ve chosen to die on this hill because you won’t admit your racism to yourself.
Not dying on any hill and where is the proof of racism? I don’t have dislike or hatred towards a group simply because of their race and I’m not giving or denying something to a group of people simply due to their race. So, no racism there.
They haven’t, but they’ve acknowledged the need to and the harm the name does, and as we don’t have to worry about coming up with a new sobriquet or printing new uniforms, we thought we’d get a jump on phasing it out.
There is nothing wrong with a changing a team name, but they haven’t yet. The issue is pretending that it is a harmful name. It is simply a term that fits the definition for the people being described. (Relating to or denoting indigenous peoples of North, Central, and South America, especially those of North America.) Nothing negative or derogatory in that well established definition.
The years and years of activism by Indigenous groups suggest otherwise. I think Terry Francona’s comments on the name change are instructive here: “Regardless of how we felt about it, what was important was how other people who it was affecting felt about it.”
Just about anything anymore you can find people who are part of a group that feel both ways. I’m just sticking to the facts that the term is accurate. It is based off of a fact, not an opinion.
My other question: what do you mean by, “we are phasing it out”. Who is we?
Since Meg is the Managing Editor of Fangraphs, I assume she is referring to Fangraphs’ policy of how the team will be named in articles going forward.
The things you can do when you wield the Power. That is what it is all about. Writers being told not to use the word Indians even though it is the team name. Highly Unfortunate.
Editorial standards are highly unfortunate now. Sigh. Way to go Meg and FG.
If you think “Indians” is accurate I would invite you to consult a map. India is nowhere near North America, Mr. Columbus, and it is absolutely confusing due to the not-insubstantial Asian Indian population.
Meanwhile, the existence of a minority opposition to the idea that using a historically oppressed population as mascots is unacceptable doesn’t negate the fact (as you seem so concerned) that treating them as masks perpetuates that harm. It also doesn’t mean the majority ought to be ignored.
In short, your facts are not and your equivocations are biased.
I posted the definition to the term that is why it is accurate. Pulled it straight from a widely known dictionary. Its not about where India is. Again, this isn’t about opinion, strictly facts regarding words used.
And by editorial standards, you mean using inaccurate terms/names for companies.
Arguing that the name Indians isn’t racist misses the point entirely, bluerum29. The team used a blatantly racist caricature for over 80 years. This is a fact and beyond debate. Chief Wahoo is an overtly racist image. The team’s name continues to have that association with racism whether you like it or not. The team has no choice but to change the name. They cannot just take Wahoo off the hats and pretend it never happened. Time to move on.
Stating its not about the name, but about the picture, but saying the name still has to go, doesn’t make sense at all. You say you can’t pretend it never happened, have no choice but to change the name, but also say its time to move on. If the issue is the picture and the picture is gone, then your comment about moving on should pertain to being upset at the name and thinking it needs to change as well. Move on from the picture and be good with it.
The demand for racism exceeds the supply so some are reduced to manufacturing it.
I haven’t seen polling for the Indians, but interestingly the polling for the Washington Redskins showed that over 90% of American Indians liked the team name and found it inoffensive. It was quite common for American Indians to wear Redskins apparel. So the comment below that the minority who wants to keep using the name should bow to the will of the majority is an interesting one.
I went to look up that poll because you can’t get 90% of Americans to agree on anything. Literally only 89% of Americans say that “fair elections are important for democracy”; anything that is up above 75% is so rare you shouldn’t believe it unless the pollster gives you no other alternative.
My first thought is that they probably botched the sampling; sampling Native Americans is pretty tough because it’s such a small slice of the population. But it looks like it was the question wording that was the problem–it used a double-barreled question, and apparently there was considerable confusion when asked (a huge proportion asked the interviewer to repeat the question). Also, the question didn’t ask about being offended, but somehow that’s how the media reported it.
A study in 2020 with double the sample size found different results. About 49% of the respondents thought it was offensive; 38% didn’t care one way or the other.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1948550619898556
“About 49% of the respondents thought it was offensive;”
So in other words, not even a majority of the people directly affected agree it’s offensive.
I have no problem with getting rid of these team names, and I fully understand that topping off centuries of atrocities/oppression by making those targeted into a mascot is adding insult to injury, but I also do think there’s a good deal of ‘on-behalf-ism’ going on here, and that the general public, even among those most directly affected, is much less invested in this issue than sports media is. It’s like Kaepernick. No one in America is as invested in Colin Kaepernick’s career as the people covering him, and that disconnect creates an impression of being talked down to on social issues by people who specialize in insight on frivolity (sports). So while there are a lot of frankly dumb arguments that get tossed around on this issue (“We as people who are totally unaffected by it insist the name is fine!”, “Then Fighting Irish is offensive too!”), I do sympathize with some of the eyerolling.
That being said, bring on the Cleveland Spiders. It’s a better name, and in my opinion it is only for the better if we move on from a name that treats the baggage of some of the more shameful episodes in American history with levity.
We’ve been hearing about this stupid Redskins poll for years and years. Its a bit of an urban legend and the details vary sometimes in the telling. If you trace the history there is some truth to the claim that a large majority of respondents claiming to be of Native American descent did not find the Washington football team name to be offensive. However, this was a random telephone poll conducted by a newspaper, and it was very far from scientific. Random people on the phone claiming to have any amount of Native ancestry were counted as if they were full-blooded and living on a reservation.
That poll is a complete joke. Look it up.
I see the “ethics in gaming journalism!” crew has a new thing
Use your platform. Decline to write about them until the name is changed if you feel that strongly about it. Keep the team out of your content. Otherwise, this is true virtue signaling (in the original dictionary definition, not the current vernacular that implies disingenuous feelings) at its finest (even if I appreciate the referential snark in your comment about their excuses for delaying the change).
Maybe, just maybe, you could find something more constructive to whine about than this?
If you think that was a whine rather than a comment, you’ve not spent much time around whiners. Consider yourself lucky.
I first heard this “virtue signalling” term used in November 2017. More than three years later, I’m still mystified that people can attach a negative association to modelling pro-social behaviour.
“bleeding heart”
“Social justice”
A person has to be a real piece of shit to use those phrases as insults.
Woke obsessed Rowley. Bring back Cistulli and Cameron!
Count how many times Rowley wokes out on the podcasts, its like nails on chalkboard.
And yet you’re here anyway.
To nobody’s surprise, the one dude with the American flag profile picture immediately goes on a tangent about Cleveland’s name change. Who would’ve thought.
Congrats dude, you got the attention you wanted and got the Managing Editor to reply to you.
I honestly wish these comments didn’t even get posted. They don’t deserve the attention or the platform – and it’s not like he’s a paying subscriber.
The article is to analyze this organization’s prospects, not to try to educate a long foregone idiot. He stopped reading once he got what he wanted (all the downvotes) to “own the libs”
I feel like the vote counter should max out (min out?) the display at something in the ballpark of -5. (The code still records the true negative number, so that it doesn’t display -4 until enough up votes are given.) This way trolls don’t get the -30 vote their looking for, but voters can still get the point across that they don’t agree.
I haven’t given this too much thought, so there probably is something I’m missing here.
The lack of use of the teams actual name in the article title is the only reason I headed straight to the comments.
And you actually think people want down votes? Why?
Eh the downvotes do enough. Don’t block comments.
Yes block comments. It wasn’t productive discourse. It was ignorant. It was an attempt to rile people up.
If anything, in an article about prospects, you can think of it as “looking ahead to what the team will be like when these guys are big league ready”.
This is definitely one of the best writeups of Cleveland’s amateur acquisition tendencies. Chris Mitchell, who developed KATOH, regularly scored Cleveland’s players way above others and then, suddenly, he was getting paid not to get publish KATOH. Whether or not that’s a causal line or not, I don’t think it’s an accident that the same stuff that Cleveland’s model values is the same stuff that KATOH did; age figures very (very) heavily, and so does height for pitchers.
I hadn’t picked up on the hot-spot focus, and I guess the reason why I’d be skeptical of that is because everyone should be picking from hot-spots more often. If that’s true, then I would guess they’d be less in on Josh Baez than I immediately assumed (although the Cards also value age as well as big powr, and they p ick first). Josh Hartle is also the kind of guy they seem to like, and you could imagine they’d be higher on Luke Leto than a lot of other teams although maybe not high enough for the 1st.
While most of the tendencies are spot on, it’s worth mentioning that the 2020 draft class wasn’t as age fixated as usual.
I miss KATOH
I do admit looking at these timelines that Eric is pretty bullish on a lot of these guys moving quickly. I suppose it is pretty hard to evaluate how time at the instructional site should figure into timelines. I would have guessed a year later for all of Valera, Rocchio, Espino, Naylor, Arias, Martinez, and Torres. Perhaps the 40-man will play into it too.
I’m of the mind that any Lindor trade should be prioritizing someone who is on the same timeline as the bulk of those guys, so about 2023 (unless Valera and Rocchio and Espino move quickly).
Very good list, thank you.
What I like:
– the aggressive ranking of Angel Martinez, he’s the true gem of the 18 IFA class
– Lavastida, Burgos and Mikolajchak getting a bump
– Bracho, will be a 50 or more in no time. The 45+ for now is well played and spot on.
– Brooooooom!
– not falling for the Planez hype (yet)
– Vargas getting 45 FV, yes sir, he’s real good.
– Kwan, though I still think he’s underrated, but at least he’s on there (Ka’ai Tom says hi). A 60 hit and 55 defense will play just fine in CF, no matter the overall FV.
– Nice HM inclusion of D. Frias, but Jesus Lara is the name that needs to be dropped by the early birds.
What I’m curious about:
– why the FV downgrade for Morgan, JC Mejia and A. Scott if nothing has changed for their future role/outlook? (fully agree on S. Moss down to 35+ though). Especially Morgan and Mejia will pitch in the Majors, both looked great in ST, getting ML hitters out.
– whatever happened to Clement, Melendez and J. Rodriguez? Clement was added to the 40 and looks like a lock to be an UTIL. Melendez had a nice mix of 50 tools at C, anything changed on his report?
Overall, this remains by far the best and most informative overview of Cleveland’s system. My only nit to pick is that the depth collected leads to the second layer of the system to be undervalued a bit. The 40 roster crunch next winter is real, but by my count there could be 10 or more open spots come December. The problem of any deep system is to find trades without overpaying, so while I’d like a couple of trades as buyer, I can also understand to stay pat and hold onto the prospect depth.
Ka’ai Tom is no longer in the organization.
If Ka’ai Tom is even playable in an outfield corner for Oakland –say, a 1-win guy–I fully expect Cleveland prospect hounds to have a very small, 5′ 9″-ish sized meltdown.
SIRP? MRP? This is my first time seeing these. Can anyone tell me what this means?
Single inning relief pitcher and multi inning relief pitcher
Is it wrong that I read the upper end (50s) of this system’s hitters as being relatively problematic? Either whiff-prone generic corner power guys or low upside but everyday contact hitting guys. And given Cleveland’s issues in developing non-pitchers lately, I’d look at these 50s and continue to be concerned. Outside of Lindor and Ramirez, Cleveland hasn’t really done much with position players lately, and guys like Tyler Naquin and Bobby Bradley fizzled out quickly due to unaddressed K issues.
Nolan Jones’s writeup screams “platoon piece”, like Seth Smith but with a cannon for an arm. I suppose there are worse things and some platoon guys like Joc Pederson can put up a lot of value but the downside is considerable, and he has some superficial similarities to Pedro Alvarez and Russell Branyan…but also to Jake Lamb.
The Lamb similarities are interesting, no doubt.
Nolan Jones seems to be one of the prospects with wide, diverging opinions depending on who you talk to. I know some folks who swear he’s a future All Star and others who think he’s a platoon bat that will put up 20% walk rates and 30% K rates.
There is just so little precedent for running both walk and K rates that high. That is basically Jack Cust for two seasons, not even for his career. Generally speaking it’s a losing bet to predict something is going to happen that is this rare. A really slow Gallo is probably his ceiling.
A really slow Gallo is probably his ceiling.
But even that’s imperfect. There’s a big difference between a 12-14% walk rate (Gallo) and a potential 18-20% walk rate (Jones, maybe), and there’s a big difference between a 35% K-rate (Gallo) and a 28-30% K rate (Jones, maybe). Unless you think part-season 2019 Joey Gallo is the real Joey Gallo (not to be confused with Jerry Callo, who was one heck of a trial lawyer but never played baseball, to my knowledge).
But 2007-2008 Jack Cust… now that’s really interesting. A 135-ish WRC+ profile that hits .250/.390/.480… I’d gladly take that bat as an outcome as long as the platoon splits are playable and the defense isn’t a complete butcher job.
No, I meant that. A 14-16% walk rate is probably as high as his career mark is going to get, which is approximately Joey Gallo-ish, and he’ll probably strike out more than in the minors too.
From 2007 to 2019, there are four seasons total that qualified for the batting title with a 20% walk rate or more. Three of them were by Joey Votto, Jose Bautista, and Mike Trout–hitting gods who had as many walks as strikeouts. That last one is Jack Cust.
There’s basically no precedent for a player getting walked that much in the majors unless it’s because teams are scared to pitch to them and they have an 80-grade hit tool; the only exception is Jack Cust. That’s one guy out of 685. I guess the longer that baseball keeps going eventually there will be another one, but I wouldn’t be anyone specific turns out like him.
I guess I find the Pat Burrell comp to be not realistic because he doesn’t really sound like Pat Burrell and I find the Jack Cust comp to be not realistic because Jack Cust is an anomaly. “Slow Gallo”, OTOH, running 15% walk rates and 35% K rates and a ton of home runs…that’s entirely plausible. The list of guys with power and 2-3x as many K’s as walks is much longer, with guys like Gallo, Judge, Sano, Chris Carter, Domingo Santana, Adam Dunn…
I fall on the optimistic side on Jones. I think there’s a non-zero chance he hits righties like Jim Thome, but based on his MiLB splits I think Pat Burrell is a good comp for Jones vs. lefties… if Burrell was hitting left-handed. 😉
Nolan Jones’ report sounded super glowing and then he got the Pat Burrell comp and a LF designation despite a 70 grade arm and I feel all sorts of confused.
“Among the other teenagers, Valera looks like a jazz bassist jamming with a group of teenagers who taught themselves the guitar using Blink-182 tabs”. I love this type of analysis!
That line was a total force.
Rest of analysis was great. 2020 draft class is really interesting
No Ernie Clement??
Any consideration for Jordan Humphreys? He made the Mets list in 2019 and 2020 as a 40 FV, he’s bounced around a bit the past 12 months but is currently in the Cleveland org. Still listed as a 40 FV in the 2020 updated version of the BOARD in the SF org, where he was until November. Curious to know if he’s off the radar completely now.
Unless the Blue Jays come out of nowhere, and I feel like Cleveland doesn’t like to sell in the AL, it looks like Lindor is going to STL (hadn’t considered CLE’s future 40 man crunch). What is that package going to look like and who is the headliner-Carlson?
I think the main concerns are trading within the division, which doesn’t really matter since it’s not the Twins’ MO and the White Sox have a shortstop already that they want to keep there, and the Reds who they might have some reluctance to trade with since they’re sort of competing for fans with them. And I’m not even sure the last one would be that big of a stumbling block.
The teams that get mentioned the most often are the Blue Jays, Cards, and Yankees, and maaaaybe Dodgers or Reds or Mets or Phillies. You’re probably looking at an FV50 or FV45+ as the headliner.
They’re probably asking the Blue Jays for Kirk but it doesn’t seem so likely unless they also sign Realmuto; Groshans is a possibility if they think they can sign Lindor to an extension, but otherwise I doubt he’d be available; Orelvis Martinez seems most likely available as a higher-end version of Gabriel Arias.
For St Louis it would have to be someone who isn’t slated to have a big role on the team, and Carlson definitely is going to have a big role on the team. Ivan Herrera would be the high end, with Johan Oviedo also making some sense. Jordan Walker and Masyn Winn would be also be of interest, and perhaps Tre Fletcher as a secondary piece.
For the Yankees, there’s lots of speculation it could involve Clint Frazier, although I don’t see how that makes sense unless Cleveland extended him (a situation where Lindor was traded for Frazier and both signed extensions would be a pretty big win for both sides). Cleveland doesn’t think they have enough young switch-hitting infielders they could be interested in Alexander Vargas. Maybe Kevin Alcantra, or Oswald Peraza (the question of Peraza or Vargas might depend on how much the Yankees think each one is the shortstop of the future).
Secondary pieces are always a bit trickier to predict but I’m guessing they wouldn’t be higher than a 40+ on Eric’s list (and I don’t think Wynn or Walker would count as secondary pieces).
As always Eric, thank you for the quality coverage and hard work you put in on these lists. Extremely informative.
love the redskins odds this year
Updated farm:
CLE: $291.00
LAD: $250.00
CHW: $204.00
CIN: $185.50
Given their ability to develop arms, I wouldn’t be surprised if some of their pitchers (Espino or Torres) are more likely to hit their right tailed results. If Freeman is able to stick at short, that would seem to help their system even more, which the farm will add some more value with the Lindor trade.
Given the 40 man crunch coming up, I wonder if there’s an outfielder (Bryan Reynolds from the Pirates or perhaps even Joey Gallo from Texas for 2 years) that they would start to trade prospects for and buildout out their lineup. I am a little surprised they weren’t in the Starling Marte market last year (I don’t remember them being connected either before the year or at the deadline). Their arms should help carry them but a loss of Lindor will really hurt their offense to where they should make other moves using their prospects to rebuild the offense.
Not sure they really need Freeman to stick at short, given how many SS prospects they have. Of course, a lot of it depends on what they get back for Lindor. If they get a MLB-ready SS, then Freeman can slide to 2B. If they don’t, then they’ll need to work through their options and see who can fill the position, even if it’s just for the short-term.
And yes, they were in on Marte at the deadline, but didn’t line up well with the Dbacks.
https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/mlb/indians/indians-attempted-starling-marte-trade/95-2408be11-51e2-4c51-915c-7a2eaf6738bc
Ah yeah I missed that they were in at Marte at the deadline; that is good to see.
Interesting ranking.
The Sox are at the end point of their rebuild, Cinci is heading into one, and the Dodgers don’t look to need to ever rebuild between their pockets and their eye for talent.
Cleveland’s profile and ETA’s look like a team that has been rebuilding for 2-3 years.
They don’t have any surefire top end prospects but by 2023 they may end up like the Cardinals with competent players at every position. The 40-man crunch should solve itself if they can get full seasons of ball this year. Big if, though.
It’s sad that Will Benson is a non-prospect now, despite being the 14th pick in the 2016 MLB draft. He has a great profile for the KBO one day.
Benson’s profile right now is a lot like Sean Doolittle at the same age, except for Doolittle having doubled as a pitcher in college.
Awesome work, Eric. I’m now on the lookout for nominative determinism.
Should I add ~ 5 FV to each pitching prospects because, you know, Cleveland, or is that sort of already factored in?
Regarding the lindor trade I agree with Eric it should be quality over quantity, the system has lots of depth in the 40+ to 45 range but could use a 55+.
A bold suggestion: why not package lindor with 3 of those higher upside 40+ prospects and get two really good prospects that are close to ready in return?
That doesn’t look appealing but with lindors short team control left and relatively high salary his market might be rather limited.
However if you add those lower level but good upside prospects which would hurt but is a position of strength a smart win now team could be willing to give cleveland the high upside talent they need.
So something like
Get: gavin lux and keibert ruiz plus mlb ready relief prospect
Give: lindor, angel martinez (or arias if martinez is not enough), logan allen and junior saquintin
That gives cleveland two mlb ready potential stars plus a usable third piece with tons of control years and the dodgers get a legitimate superstar now plus young upside to restock the farm and let their development team do magic on.
With that approach they could get the cost controlled stars they need and only give away a year of lindor plus lots of high upside depth.
This hurts but cleveland is good at finding new guys like this plus they could easily trade ruiz and lux in 4 years for a boatload of high upside young prospects.
Both teams would benefit from that especially since ruiz is blocked in LA.
What does SIRP stand for?
Single Inning Relief Pitcher.
New term, presumably because of the three batter rule making LOOGY/ROOGY terms obsolete.
Lindor and Carrasco to the Mets.
Andres Giminez, Amed Rosario, Josh Wolfe and Isaiah Greene in return. Interesting and a bit underwhelming, imo.
Without Lindor negotiating a contract extension with his new team, hard to see the Indians getting a lot in a trade.
Dolan needs to sell the team. If he can’t afford to put a solid tram on the field, find someone who can. He has no business in the game if his issue is strictly economics. Go away!
Thanks for the list Eric.
If you’d have to guess, where would Uviedo have been on this list had he not been selected in the Rule 5? Sounds like he’s doing well in the VWL.