Top 29 Prospects: Atlanta Braves
Below is an analysis of the prospects in the farm system of the Atlanta Braves. Scouting reports are compiled with information provided by industry sources as well as from our own (both Eric Longenhagen’s and Kiley McDaniel’s) observations. For more information on the 20-80 scouting scale by which all of our prospect content is governed you can click here. For further explanation of the merits and drawbacks of Future Value, read this.
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| Rk | Name | Age | Highest Level | Position | ETA | FV |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Cristian Pache | 20.1 | AA | CF | 2021 | 55 |
| 2 | Austin Riley | 21.7 | AAA | 3B | 2019 | 55 |
| 3 | Mike Soroka | 21.4 | MLB | RHP | 2019 | 55 |
| 4 | Ian Anderson | 20.6 | AA | RHP | 2020 | 55 |
| 5 | Kyle Wright | 23.2 | MLB | RHP | 2020 | 55 |
| 6 | Drew Waters | 19.9 | A+ | CF | 2021 | 50 |
| 7 | William Contreras | 21.0 | A+ | C | 2021 | 50 |
| 8 | Touki Toussaint | 22.5 | MLB | RHP | 2019 | 50 |
| 9 | Luiz Gohara | 22.4 | MLB | LHP | 2019 | 50 |
| 10 | Bryse Wilson | 21.0 | MLB | RHP | 2019 | 50 |
| 11 | Joey Wentz | 21.2 | A+ | LHP | 2020 | 45+ |
| 12 | Kolby Allard | 21.3 | MLB | LHP | 2019 | 45 |
| 13 | Kyle Muller | 21.2 | AA | LHP | 2021 | 45 |
| 14 | Greyson Jenista | 22.0 | A+ | RF | 2021 | 45 |
| 15 | Freddy Tarnok | 20.0 | A | RHP | 2022 | 40+ |
| 16 | Alex Jackson | 23.0 | AAA | C | 2020 | 40+ |
| 17 | Jacob Webb | 25.3 | AAA | RHP | 2019 | 40 |
| 18 | Huascar Ynoa | 20.5 | A+ | RHP | 2021 | 40 |
| 19 | Tristan Beck | 22.5 | R | RHP | 2021 | 40 |
| 20 | Tucker Davidson | 22.7 | A+ | LHP | 2021 | 40 |
| 21 | Patrick Weigel | 24.4 | AAA | RHP | 2019 | 40 |
| 22 | Chad Sobotka | 25.4 | MLB | RHP | 2019 | 40 |
| 23 | Trey Riley | 20.6 | R | RHP | 2022 | 40 |
| 24 | Izzy Wilson | 20.8 | A+ | RF | 2021 | 40 |
| 25 | CJ Alexander | 22.4 | A+ | 3B | 2021 | 40 |
| 26 | Josh Graham | 25.2 | AA | RHP | 2019 | 40 |
| 27 | Jefrey Ramos | 19.8 | A | LF | 2021 | 35+ |
| 28 | Jasseel De La Cruz | 21.5 | A | RHP | 2021 | 35+ |
| 29 | Ray-Patrick Didder | 24.2 | AA | SS | 2020 | 35+ |
55 FV Prospects
| Age | 20.1 | Height | 6′ 2″ | Weight | 185 | Bat / Thr | R / R | FV | 55 |
|---|
| Hit | Raw Power | Game Power | Run | Fielding | Throw |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 30/50 | 50/55 | 20/45 | 70/70 | 70/70 | 70/70 |
If we told you a prospect seemed like an injury-independent lock to play elite outfield defense, how much offense would he have to provide to be a star-level player? The industry’s six-week look at Pache during the Arizona Fall League further cemented the belief that Pache has a great chance to be one of the, if not the, best defensive center fielders in baseball as soon as he arrives in Atlanta. He’s a plus to plus-plus runner with a great first step, and he has a knack for contorting his body in ways that enable him to make spectacular catches on flyballs that would otherwise fall in for tough-luck hits. He also has a 70-grade arm when he sets and throws properly, though at times he sacrifices velocity and accuracy in order to get rid of the ball more quickly, which isn’t always the right decision. Pache also has good bat-to-ball skills and solid average raw power, but the quality of his at-bats and his hitting mechanics both vary. His upside is enormous if everything comes together, and Pache just turned 20 years old, but there’s risk that the bat plays down because of Pache’s approach. If that’s the case, he might exist in the Hamilton/Pillar area of WAR production, but even a one-dimensional offensive profile likely results in star level production and because Pache is still just the age of a college sophomore, we anticipate growth in this area.
| Age | 21.7 | Height | 6′ 2″ | Weight | 220 | Bat / Thr | R / R | FV | 55 |
|---|
| Hit | Raw Power | Game Power | Run | Fielding | Throw |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 40/45 | 70/70 | 45/60 | 45/40 | 45/50 | 65/65 |
Riley was a two-way high school player who many teams preferred as a pitcher, but the Braves preferred him as a hitter and liked him more than any other club, popping him rounds before most teams were prepared to draft him. That gamble has paid off. Braves personnel rave about Riley’s makeup and the strides he has made defensively, now projecting him as an average defender at third base after a lot of work on his footwork and keeping his strong frame nimble. He has an easy plus arm and plus plus raw power along with the contact skills to avoid being a huge strikeout type. What sort of hitter Riley becomes is more a matter of choice for him, but we think he’ll end up in the .250 average, with an average OBP and plus game power, meaning 25 homers or so annually.
| Age | 21.4 | Height | 6′ 4″ | Weight | 210 | Bat / Thr | R / R | FV | 55 |
|---|
| Fastball | Slider | Changeup | Command | Sits/Tops |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 55/55 | 55/55 | 50/55 | 45/55 | 90-93 / 95 |
Soroka is a former hockey defenseman who brings that mentality to the mound, attacking hitters with three above average pitches and command. He attacks the zone with a low-90s sinker down in the zone and is a pitch efficient starter who isn’t gunning for the strikeout. He’s also a shorter strider so his velocity plays down a bit, making his command and offspeed pitches even more important. Soroka’s changeup went from rarely used to a pitch that flashes plus in the last year or so, and his high-spin hybrid breaking ball has always been a trusted secondary pitch. He missed much of 2018 with a muscular issue in his shoulder, but was ready to pitch in the big leagues in September, hitting the mid-90s in simulated games and only staying out of competitive contents because of the Braves’ cautious approach to his rehab.
| Age | 20.6 | Height | 6′ 3″ | Weight | 170 | Bat / Thr | R / R | FV | 55 |
|---|
| Fastball | Curveball | Changeup | Command | Sits/Tops |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 55/55 | 50/55 | 50/60 | 45/55 | 91-94 / 96 |
Anderson was a prep standout as an underclassman and despite some minor injuries in his draft year, was the third overall pick in 2016. The Braves got him for an under slot bonus that freed them up to grab Wentz, Muller, and Wilson for over slot bonuses; that group has worked out extremely well so far, especially considering how risky a subgroup prep pitching is. Anderson is the most advanced in terms of his combination of stuff now, command, and size, as evidenced by reaching Double-A at age 20 with excellent stats at every stop. He isn’t the sexiest prospect in terms of spin rates, so his command will need to continue to be a separator as the hitters he faces continue to get better. Anderson flashed a 60 curveball as an amateur but it’s more of a 55 now, while his changeup went from not being used much to flashing plus regularly, passing ahead of his curveball for some scouts.
| Age | 23.2 | Height | 6′ 4″ | Weight | 200 | Bat / Thr | R / R | FV | 55 |
|---|
| Fastball | Slider | Curveball | Changeup | Command | Sits/Tops |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 55/60 | 55/60 | 50/55 | 45/50 | 45/50 | 91-95 / 97 |
Wright passed up seven figures from the Braves out of an Alabama high school to go to Vanderbilt and got many times more than that three years later as the fifth overall pick. He’s a near ideal combination of frame, arm action, delivery, athleticism, broad repertoire, and feel for pitching. Wright’s fastball is solid, but not a standout swing-and-miss pitch, though his slider often is. Wright mixes in a curveball and changeup that are tertiary options and his lower slot matches the sinker/slider combo a bit better. His best route to early big league success may be to lean on his breaking ball and throw it as often as his fastball, like Chris Archer or Patrick Corbin do. Given the Braves young pitching depth, there may not be a rotation spot for Wright, but his stuff and approach would definitely work in a multi-inning relief role until that spot is available.
50 FV Prospects
| Age | 19.9 | Height | 6′ 2″ | Weight | 183 | Bat / Thr | S / R | FV | 50 |
|---|
| Hit | Raw Power | Game Power | Run | Fielding | Throw |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 35/60 | 55/60 | 30/50 | 60/55 | 45/50 | 60/60 |
Waters was the rare prep prospect who had present hit tool utility, top-of-the-line prep performance, and 55- or 60-grade supporting tools to give him both high certainty and some ceiling. He got lost in the shuffle a bit in his deep draft class and had a tough pro debut due to both fatigue and swing tinkering. His full season debut in 2018 was a smashing success; he demolished the Low-A Sally League and posted a 98 wRC+ in High-A as a teenager. Waters’ raw power is a 55 that will likely be a 60 as he fills out, and his speed is a current 60 that likely becomes a 55. His center field instincts are above average, so he’s still got a solid chance to stick at the position and his arm is an easy plus. Waters’ carrying tool is his bat and he regained an approach that works for him in 2018. His exciting combination of physical projection, now ability, and ceiling will give him upward mobility in the Top 100 with a strong start to 2019.
| Age | 21.0 | Height | 6′ 0″ | Weight | 180 | Bat / Thr | R / R | FV | 50 |
|---|
| Hit | Raw Power | Game Power | Run | Fielding | Throw |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 30/50 | 50/55 | 20/50 | 45/40 | 45/55 | 60/60 |
Contreras’ older brother Willson is among the best catchers in baseball and was a late bloomer, breaking through at age 23 in Double-A. William had his breakout in 2018 as a 20-year-old, going from a trendy pick to breakout to a consensus Top 100 prospect by mid-season. He has been defensively advanced for years, both in his tools and his mental approach to the game, in part due to help from his brother. William projects as an above average defender with a plus arm. Contreras has also gotten stronger and is growing into his man strength after establishing a feel to hit, so he has a well-rounded approach now. He toned down his swing in 2018 and is slowly adding elements as he feels comfortable, rather than making a noisier swing work all at once. Contreras stands out because there are not many 21-year-olds who project for average to above offense along with above average defense, and have the makeup/mental part of the game under control without any major red flags like injuries. The scouts who like Contreras really like him–rounding up on both the tool grades due to makeup and his overall value due to a high floor at a position that’s a wasteland in the majors right now. This top 10 could be in almost any order, and Contreras may be the guy with the biggest variance as to where various baseball people rank him, which is a positive when his ranking peers are mostly MLB-ready, heavily-pedigreed prospects with much more track record.
| Age | 22.5 | Height | 6′ 3″ | Weight | 185 | Bat / Thr | R / R | FV | 50 |
|---|
| Fastball | Curveball | Changeup | Cutter | Command | Sits/Tops |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 60/60 | 65/65 | 55/60 | 50/55 | 40/45 | 91-95 / 97 |
Toussaint was a heralded and famous prep pitcher, showing plus-plus stuff as a high school sophomore and eventually going in the middle of the first round in 2014. He was traded to Atlanta as the prize for taking on Bronson Arroyo’s contract, and has slowly made adjustments to develop his starter traits and harness his high octane stuff. When he’s at his best, Toussaint works 91-94 and will hit 97 mph a couple of times a game when he needs to, mixing in a 55 or 60 grade curveball and hard changeup, though he’ll break out the 70-grade hook once or twice a game. With his power approach and delivery, Toussaint still has some command issues at times, but when he dials his stuff down a bit, he’s learned to be more pitch efficient. At the least, Toussaint is an ideal candidate to be a setup man or closer who can go multiple innings, but there’s a real chance he can be the no. 2 or 3 starter that teams work so hard, and go through so many arms, to find, and he’s ready to contribute now.
| Age | 22.4 | Height | 6′ 3″ | Weight | 240 | Bat / Thr | L / L | FV | 50 |
|---|
| Fastball | Slider | Changeup | Command | Sits/Tops |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 50/60 | 60/60 | 45/50 | 45/50 | 93-96 / 98 |
Gohara has had an up-and-down couple of years; he’s dealt with serious health issues and death in his immediate family, and living far away from home, along with some relatively less important professional matters, has also proven to be burdensome. A series of off-the-field issues and maturity concerns led the Mariners to sell low on him in the trade that brought him to Atlanta. He has a frame along the lines of a Prince Fielder or a CC Sabathia in that he looks unathletic when static, but you can see he’s deceptively athletic for his size. Gohara has reportedly recently lost a lot of weight and gotten into the best shape of his life (alarm sound). He has high octane stuff with a plus fastball/slider combo and a changeup that’s come to be average, along with better control and command than you might expect from a young power pitcher. Gohara is very close to losing eligibility, but he may be the rare case of a player who actually demonstrates in March that the changes he’s made are real and moves up a list, since it’s hard to upgrade a guy based on verbal reports that he’s making progress in non-competitive environments.
| Age | 21.0 | Height | 6′ 1″ | Weight | 224 | Bat / Thr | R / R | FV | 50 |
|---|
| Fastball | Slider | Changeup | Command | Sits/Tops |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 55/60 | 45/55 | 50/55 | 50/55 | 91-95 / 98 |
Wilson is a scout favorite, as an aggressive bulldog who relies on spotting his fastball in all quadrants of the zone, with the velocity, movement, and command all grading above average on his various fastballs. His slider will flash 55 in ideal situations, but plays closer to fringe average regularly, while his changeup also flashes 55 at times and is better than the slider most games. Wilson fits in today’s game because the concerns around him involve turning over the lineup and using his third pitch, but he normally has a plus fastball, above average command, plus plus makeup, and at least one average to above offspeed pitch, so he could be a great 2-3 inning reliever who works in various roles. There’s still a chance he could be a traditional starter, but the Braves’ pitching depth likely dictates a hybrid role in the short term.
45+ FV Prospects
| Age | 21.2 | Height | 6′ 5″ | Weight | 209 | Bat / Thr | L / L | FV | 45+ |
|---|
| Fastball | Curveball | Changeup | Command | Sits/Tops |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 45/50 | 45/55 | 60/60 | 45/55 | 88-92 / 94 |
Wentz has flashed three plus pitches at times, but has never done it all in the same outing. Some thought he was on the verge of doing so in 2018, but he missed huge chunks of the year with oblique and shoulder ailments, though they seem minor to us in terms of their long-term effects. Wentz was 88-92 mph with solid average stuff and average command in 2018, and projects to improve when he has a full, healthy offseason to regain what he was the year before. He is also big and athletic with a smooth delivery and arm action, so there’s the classic projection you’re looking for. Like Muller, Wentz also has 70-grade raw power to provide offensive value when he reaches the big leagues. At its best, Wentz’s fastball was 92-95, hitting 96 mph, and his curveball and changeup were plus, with multi-innings stretches when his command looked above average, which led some scouts to invoke Cole Hamels. Things probably land somewhere between the peak of each of his elements and his average 2018 showing.
45 FV Prospects
| Age | 21.3 | Height | 6′ 1″ | Weight | 175 | Bat / Thr | L / L | FV | 45 |
|---|
| Fastball | Curveball | Changeup | Command | Sits/Tops |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 45/50 | 50/55 | 45/55 | 50/60 | 88-91 / 93 |
Allard has largely been the same pitcher since his draft spring, working with a 45 or 50 fastball, an above average offspeed offering, and plus command. He isn’t big and he got hit around in his first taste of the big leagues, which is what most scouts were afraid might happen to him. It was a short look and many have recovered from performances like that, but Allard has to be fine with what he does, and his style of pitching (along with his weapons) offers almost no margin for error and doesn’t exactly fit where the game is going. Luckily he has advanced feel for what he’s doing on the mound, so there is a path to being a reliable back-end starter.
| Age | 21.2 | Height | 6′ 6″ | Weight | 215 | Bat / Thr | R / L | FV | 45 |
|---|
| Fastball | Slider | Changeup | Command | Sits/Tops |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 50/55 | 50/50 | 55/60 | 40/50 | 90-94 / 96 |
Muller is a big, athletic, aggressive lefty with a sturdy frame and above average stuff to go with average type command. He displayed raw power in high school that some scouts graded as a 70, so there’s likely some real value above what most NL pitchers offer at the plate. He had a velocity dip after signing, which most seem to think stemmed from heavy usage in high school. That appeared to be the case, as his velocity was back up this spring after some training at Driveline. Muller isn’t traditionally exciting since he doesn’t have huge velocity or a crazy athletic and loose delivery, but lots of long-time starters have looked like this at this stage in their careers.
| Age | 22.0 | Height | 6′ 4″ | Weight | 240 | Bat / Thr | L / R | FV | 45 |
|---|
| Hit | Raw Power | Game Power | Run | Fielding | Throw |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 30/45 | 65/65 | 30/55 | 50/45 | 45/50 | 55/55 |
Jenista has a skillset that will be familiar to long-time fans of the game, with some qualities in common with players like Jeromy Burnitz, Adam Dunn, and Lance Berkman. Jenista is deceptively athletic for his size (a 50 runner at 6-foot-4 and 240 pounds) and has big raw power (a 65) along with a right field profile. Jenista is a late-count, power-focused hitter, so his approach will come with some swing-and-miss and some walks. He’ll need a slight adjustment to his swing plane, as it’s a little too flat for this type of player (he hits more doubles when he makes hard contact than you’d like), and he may age more quickly than player with a slighter build would. The upside is a three-win power-focused corner bat, though a more realistic expectation is probably a low-end regular worth around two wins annually, but he’ll need to make some offensive adjustments between now and then regardless.
40+ FV Prospects
| Age | 20.0 | Height | 6′ 3″ | Weight | 185 | Bat / Thr | R / R | FV | 40+ |
|---|
| Fastball | Curveball | Changeup | Command | Sits/Tops |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 50/60 | 50/55 | 45/55 | 40/50 | 92-95 / 98 |
Tarnok was primarily a hitter in high school, and many teams didn’t take him seriously as a pitcher or even see him multiple times until late in the spring. The Braves were the team highest on him, and talked him into giving pitching a shot full-time with a well-over-slot bonus. Tarnok is, as expected, still raw, but it’s easy to see what Braves scouts were so excited about: he has near-ideal body and arm action along with standout arm strength, athleticism, and ability to spin the ball. The finer points of pitching, how to mix all of his pitches, and dialing in the repetition of his delivery are still variables, all stemming from his lack of innings. He’s a popular pick to be the breakout prospect in the system and has among its highest ceilings if it all comes together.
| Age | 23.0 | Height | 6′ 2″ | Weight | 220 | Bat / Thr | R / R | FV | 40+ |
|---|
| Hit | Raw Power | Game Power | Run | Fielding | Throw |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 30/40 | 70/70 | 40/55 | 30/30 | 45/50 | 60/60 |
Jackson was selected sixth overall out of a SoCal high school in 2014, and was among the most celebrated prep bats of all time. He ranked at the top of his class for three years and was projected to move from catcher to right field because of his prodigious talent at the plate, like Bryce Harper and Wil Myers before him. He had a tough pro debut with unlucky injuries, streaky hitting, and poor coaching, which he responded poorly to in turn, bristling at the criticism that came with not meeting expectations. Jackson was traded to the Braves, who moved him back behind the plate in an attempt to build some value since his bat no longer profiled as the 6 hit/6 power that was projected out of high school. He made great strides as a catcher in 2018 and now looks likely to be an average-or-close-to-it receiver with a plus arm and plus plus raw power. He’s gotten much bigger since high school and isn’t a runner, and his lessened twitch quickness also makes him more of a mistake hitter at the plate. Jackson being near MLB-ready and given the current state of catching, he could be a 90 wRC+ hitter and fringe-to-average receiver and have a long career. There’s a chance for more, but expectations have settled right around there.
40 FV Prospects
| Age | 25.3 | Height | 6′ 1″ | Weight | 200 | Bat / Thr | R / R | FV | 40 |
|---|
| Fastball | Slider | Changeup | Command | Sits/Tops |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 60/60 | 55/55 | 50/50 | 45/45 | 94-96 / 98 |
Webb was a low-bonus, late-round, small school pick who still wasn’t really on the prospect radar for most clubs until 2018. His velocity took a step forward (up to 98 mph) and the added armspeed helped his 50 to 55 type stuff grade out a tick better. This improvement made him a lock to be a Rule 5 pick if not protected, so Atlanta added him to the 40-man roster. Like many of the 40 FV-grade relievers on this list, Webb projects as a middle reliever, but he has the best chance to turn into a bit more, and could possibly be a setup man.
| Age | 20.5 | Height | 6′ 3″ | Weight | 175 | Bat / Thr | R / R | FV | 40 |
|---|
| Fastball | Slider | Changeup | Command | Sits/Tops |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 65/70 | 50/55 | 45/50 | 35/45 | 94-98 / 100 |
Ynoa’s older bother Michel was the July 2nd bonus record-holder for awhile and still sets the pace for non-Cuban pitchers in the market. Huascar was also a premium arm in his class, receiving a high-six-figure bonus and making incremental progress since then, reaching a velocity peak of 100 mph in 2018. Ynoa’s fastball plays down a bit because he’s a short strider and throws a bit of sinker, but it often flattens out up in the zone when he overthrows, happens at his highest velocities. His slider occasionally flashes plus, but projecting a 55 pitch is more reasonable for the type of breaker he can command. Ynoa’s changeup is usable and his command shows flashes, but he was added to the 40-man roster this year and will start burning options now. This ticking options clock limits the time he has to develop starter traits, making a power middle reliever the most likely outcome.
| Age | 22.5 | Height | 6′ 4″ | Weight | 190 | Bat / Thr | R / R | FV | 40 |
|---|
| Fastball | Curveball | Changeup | Command | Sits/Tops |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 50/55 | 55/60 | 45/50 | 40/45 | 90-95 / 96 |
Beck was premium prospect out of a SoCal high school, reportedly turning down over $2.5 million to go to Stanford as he had long wanted to do. There, Beck had various injury issues and his stuff and command didn’t progress as many had hoped, but he still showed glimpses of his upside from high school. In instructional league, he ran his fastball up to 96 mph, which didn’t happen often in college, and his signature hammer curveball flashed plus once again. Beck is still in the nether region of starter vs. reliever given his uneven track record and command that doesn’t consistently flash average, but his power stuff will play in any role if he can continue showing what he did in instructional league.
| Age | 22.7 | Height | 6′ 2″ | Weight | 215 | Bat / Thr | L / L | FV | 40 |
|---|
| Fastball | Slider | Curveball | Changeup | Command | Sits/Tops |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 45/50 | 45/50 | 50/55 | 45/50 | 40/50 | 90-94 / 95 |
Davidson was a low-profile JC arm the Braves gambled on in 2016 and after improving his body composition entering the 2017 season, his stuff and command improved too, and he looked like a potential no. 4 starter. Davidson’s 2018 season wasn’t as good, as his stuff and command were both a bit worse, so he’s now at the nexus of back-end starter or depth relief lefty, though the upside of being a starter in the big leagues keeps him ahead of some of the 35 FV lefty relievers below (Clouse and Burrows) with similar stuff.
| Age | 24.4 | Height | 6′ 6″ | Weight | 230 | Bat / Thr | R / R | FV | 40 |
|---|
| Fastball | Slider | Curveball | Changeup | Command | Sits/Tops |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 60/65 | 55/55 | 45/50 | 45/50 | 40/45 | 92-96 / 98 |
As an amateur, Weigel was a big dude with an upper-90’s fastball and little else that showed much consistency, which allowed him to slip to the seventh round. In pro ball, Weigel was able to put it together as a starter, continuing to run his heater into the upper-90’s, but working more 92-94 mph with a four pitch mix that was also average or better. Due to the power of his repertoire and approach, and his long frame, Weigel had the sort of fringy command that made him seem better suited to being a multi-inning reliever than a starter. He underwent Tommy John surgery once he reached Triple-A in 2017 and returned to the mound late in 2018. In instructional league, Weigel’s arm speed was mostly back, hitting 96 mph, but the stamina and crispness of his offspeed pitches wasn’t quite there yet. It’s still too early to expect him to be completely back and there’s an expectation that he will return to his prior form in the upcoming season. That belief led the Braves to add him to the 40-man, as he would’ve been a strong candidate for a rebuilding team looking to buy low on him in the Rule 5 Draft.
| Age | 25.4 | Height | 6′ 7″ | Weight | 225 | Bat / Thr | R / R | FV | 40 |
|---|
| Fastball | Slider | Changeup | Command | Sits/Tops |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 65/65 | 50/55 | 40/45 | 40/45 | 95-98 / 100 |
Sobotka was a pop-up small school pitcher in the 2014 draft, but issues stemming from his size and arm speed limited him in various ways until 2018, when he velocity took the step forward that many foresaw in 2014. Sobotka now hits 100 mph and mixes in a slider that’s a 55 at times. His command will never be great since he has a slightly stiff, 6-foot-7 frame, but his stuff doesn’t need pinpoint control to be effective in a middle relief role. After contributing out of the big league bullpen down the stretch and in the playoffs in 2018, Sobotka is a useful middle reliever with options for the Braves to use and develop further.
| Age | 20.6 | Height | 6′ 2″ | Weight | 180 | Bat / Thr | L / R | FV | 40 |
|---|
| Fastball | Slider | Curveball | Changeup | Command | Sits/Tops |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 55/60 | 55/60 | 50/55 | 40/50 | 35/45 | 92-95 / 97 |
Riley burst onto the scouting scene in 2018 at Logan JC in Iowa after bouncing back from Oklahoma State. Some teams were hesitant to take him where his talent suggested (second or third round) due to their interpretation of what led to him to leave Oklahoma State, but the Braves were excited to give him an over slot bonus in the fifth round of a draft where they were missing a third round selection. Riley’s stuff is exciting — up to 97 mph, with a slider that flashes plus, and a solid average curve and changeup that flashed average — while his arm action, athleticism, and command give him a chance to start, despite a short track record of doing so. Regardless, his present stuff will play in any role and fits where the game is going, so simply staying healthy, getting innings, and maintaining his stuff should keep him on the prospect radar.
| Age | 20.8 | Height | 6′ 3″ | Weight | 185 | Bat / Thr | L / R | FV | 40 |
|---|
| Hit | Raw Power | Game Power | Run | Fielding | Throw |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 30/45 | 55/60 | 30/50 | 45/45 | 45/50 | 55/55 |
Wilson burst onto the prospect scene in 2015, hitting 10 homers in 48 games in the GCL at age 17. He signed as a shortstop but has moved down the defensive spectrum to right field, retaining his loose, lefty swing and physical projection. In the interim, Wilson has had maturity and consistency issues, which he appears to be moving past now. Longer-limbed power hitters typically take the longest to develop offensively, making his pro debut that much more surprising. He’ll be 21 years old next year, with a chance to get to Double-A and regain the everyday player projection some saw in 2015.
| Age | 22.4 | Height | 6′ 5″ | Weight | 215 | Bat / Thr | L / R | FV | 40 |
|---|
| Hit | Raw Power | Game Power | Run | Fielding | Throw |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 30/45 | 60/60 | 30/50 | 40/40 | 40/45 | 55/60 |
C.J. Alexander and his brother, SS Blaze Alexander (IMG Academy HS in Florida, drafted by the Diamondbacks), were both drafted lower in 2018 than their talent suggested. Blaze slipped due to demands as an over slot high school pick, while C.J. was old for a junior college player and is limited to a corner, though scouts have some debate about which position is his best fit. C.J. had a big pro debut, getting to High-A and playing in instructs in a season that saw him in real games from late January until October. He has plus raw power and a plus arm, with deceptive contact skills and at least passable defense at all four corner spots. The upside is a low-end regular or the correct side of a corner platoon, which is more likely to happen if he continues to move quickly through the system. His pro ball batted-ball outcomes were lucky but he also played among the longest seasons in all of organized baseball, putting up big numbers at every level.
| Age | 25.2 | Height | 6′ 1″ | Weight | 215 | Bat / Thr | R / R | FV | 40 |
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| Fastball | Slider | Changeup | Command | Sits/Tops |
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| 50/55 | 50/60 | 65/70 | 40/45 | 92-95 / 97 |
Graham has some of the best pure stuff in baseball, running his fastball up to 97 mph, flashing a 60 slider at times, and relying heavily on one of the best changeups in the game, which is a 70 for most scouts. His short arm action is a giveaway that he converted from catching while at Oregon. The issues holding Graham back are that he consistently works behind in the count and seems focused on putting up big velocity numbers, which affects his fastball command and allows hitters to sit on his offspeed pitches. Like Didder and Demeritte, hope was bright in the past year that Graham could fix his issues and become a big league contributor, but none of the three have changed much in the interim and now have shorter developmental ropes as they enter their mid-20’s.
35+ FV Prospects
| Age | 19.8 | Height | 6′ 1″ | Weight | 200 | Bat / Thr | R / R | FV | 35+ |
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Ramos was a higher profile July 2nd prospect whose market didn’t materialize as expected, so he waited until 2016 to sign as a 17-year-old in the Braves pool-busting class. Ramos is a left field only fit, with plus raw power as his carrying tool, so he has to hit. He made real progress on that front in 2018, bopping 16 homers and posting a 102 wRC+ in Low-A as a 19-year-old. He’s backed into a corner profile-wise, and has to keep progressing at the plate to avoid his upside being the wrong side of a left field/first base platoon. As an example, the Braves had a version of this at Triple-A recently in Dustin Peterson; he was put on waivers as the demand for this sort of less-versatile player is waning.
| Age | 21.5 | Height | 6′ 1″ | Weight | 175 | Bat / Thr | R / R | FV | 35+ |
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De La Cruz is 92-95, touching 97 mph and flashing a plus slider at his best, so there’s some clear ceiling here. His changeup, command, and delivery all come and go, and he has pitched limited innings for a 21-year-old. A reasonable scenario for him is to continue trying to start for a bit longer, and if he doesn’t emerge in that role, to eventually focus on his fastball/slider combo in shorter stints. In that role, he could work his way into higher leverage late relief, but there’s still a long way to go before that happens.
| Age | 24.2 | Height | 6′ 0″ | Weight | 170 | Bat / Thr | R / R | FV | 35+ |
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Didder can play at least average defense at all the non-pitcher-and-catcher positions on the field and he’s shown plus ability in center, buoyed by plus-plus speed and a plus-plus arm. He’s shown ability at the plate and mistake power at times, but he’s now 24 and still hasn’t put it together offensively for long stretches. He’s Rule 5-eligible and is an ideal 25th man type if a team thinks they can tease out some offense and get a 1-2 WAR player with all of his secondary skills.
Grouped by type and listed in order of preference within each category.
A.J. Graffanino, SS
Drew Lugbauer, C
Justin Dean, CF
Andrew Moritz, CF
Travis Demeritte, LF
Graffanino is the son of Tony, and is an advanced defender with contact skills and feel for the game; he’s likely a reserve but was injured in college and is still adding weight, so there’s low-end regular upside. Lugbauer was a nice find in the 11th round and is at least third catcher quality behind the plate with 60 raw power and 55 arm strength, but he may end up being a primary first baseman and the contact skills come and go. Dean was another late-round find in the Carolinas for the Braves and is a true 80 runner, but is still raw enough that the realistic upside is a speed-oriented reserve. Moritz is a 55 runner who is hit-over-power and can play all three outfield positions, with one scout comparing him to Sam Fuld as a potential instinctual reserve. Demeritte still has easy plus power and is passable at multiple positions defensively, but will need to make some offensive adjustments to have a big league future.
Likely Relievers
Corbin Clouse, LHP
Wes Parsons, RHP
Thomas Burrows, LHP
Victor Vodnik, RHP
Gabriel Rodriguez, LHP
Troy Bacon, RHP
Jeremy Walker, RHP
Odalvi Javier, RHP
The other pitchers here are a mix of pure middle relief prospects and chance no. 5 starters who are more likely to slip into long relief territory if we’re being realistic. Clouse and Burrows are similar lefty relievers, with Clouse having a little more velo and Burrows more deception/feel; they share a similar breaking ball. Parsons and Javier are starter types with solid average stuff but nothing is plus, so you’re hoping for a no. 5 starter and will probably get a multi-inning depth arm if things work out. Walker flashes above average stuff from a frame/arm action that scouts like, but his delivery, command, and changeup haven’t progressed, so he’s a likely reliever but with more ceiling than Parsons or Javier. Vodnik and Rodriguez are relief-type arms from the 2018 draft class. Vodnik is a smallish righty who was 87-90 for some of the spring, but was 92-95, touching 98 mph with solid average offspeed in instructs. Rodriguez was a junior college position player who threw a handful of innings in the spring. The Braves saw them all, and stuck him on the mound in pro ball; he also topped at 98 mph, though he’s a project. Bacon can run it up to 96 mph and flashes a 55 breaker along with two other usable pitches and average command at times, but he’s a smallish righty reliever and isn’t always that good.
Their competitive window is securely open now and will likely stay that way for at least 4-5 years, even if the organization opts to move all their chips in for the short-term. The Braves have a rare group of talent in their core and should add a few more pieces to it from this list in 2019, with a trade of a few of the top dozen on this list for an established star with multiple years of control seemingly likely as well. The NL East could go a few different ways this winter, but it looks like every team but the Marlins is trying to win in the short-term and will have a chance at the division. Having a stable of young, optionable power arms should be a useful talent infusion in the second half for the Braves’ rotation and bullpen, constituting a built-in midseason trade of sorts, as payroll is always a factor for mid-market clubs.
Hopefully Chad Sobotka will enjoy a successful big league career. After the Frank’s untimely death, Ziggy’s prison sentence, and Nick flipping, I’d imagine the door to a fallback career as a stevedore is well and truly closed.
someone is always looking for a backup sax player….so there is hope i guess
Screw that, the dock folks will still take care of their own.
when Gohara is your 9th best prospect and you have 2 full rotations in your top 15….I am just floored by the pitching in this system. I feel like they benefited from going the opposite way from most other clubs who seemed to greatly prioritize hitting prospects over the riskier pitchers in recent years.
This could be a pivotal year in seeing whether the strategy actually pays off. The projections for the Braves’ pitching staff right don’t look especially encouraging, and although there’s obviously still room for improvement for their prospects, your comment itself acknowledges that there’s significant risk that the pitchers never realize their potential.
Isn’t it more like the projections for their staff *this* year don’t seem overly encouraging?
Dan himself said that “ZiPS actually projects the 11th-to-15th best starting pitchers in the organization (Fried, Wentz, Parsons, Anderson, Muller) to be not that far from league average, which is a filthy, disgusting horde of pitching to have if the projections prove true”
Obviously plenty won’t hit their potential, but expecting 11-15 to fail when they’re projected ~ league average at ages this young seems incredibly unlikely
Did they? Their success last year was almost all based on the development of young position players acquired before the Johns implemented their “moar pitching” approach to roster building. Acuña, Albies, Camargo, and Swanson putting up something around 15 WAR at league minimum salaries was a huge part of their success in 2018. The “moar pitchers” philosophy certainly hasn’t been validated from returns at the big-league level, as Mike Foltynewicz is the only above-average starter the Braves have developed at this point, with notable failures like Aaron Blair and Matt Wisler demonstrating the risks inherent in relying on pitching prospects to produce.
I believe the editor is the one that writes the blurb, but it needs to be fixed. It says the Braves system is “below average” after the top 10. That is nonsense. The Braves have more 45+ or better (1), 45 or better (4), and 40+ or better (6) prospects (outside of the top 10) than any of the NL Central teams profiled so far. I doubt seriously they are below average outside of the top 10. They are below average if you take away their top 10 prospects, but so is every other team, probably ever.
They can be better than 5 teams and still be below average. There are 30 teams
No shit. But it is still a bad start for that judgment to make any sense.
This is exactly right. It was phrased like a criticism, as if there was a plus side, but that was the minus side. There’s no way that even five of the other teams have six 40+ or better prospects after their top ten, much less 15 other teams. Examining the prospects outside the top ten shows how strong the Braves system is, not how weak it is.
I think it must be the depth that is lacking. Note that they only wrote up 29 guys.
Would you rather have St. Louis’ 11-onward prospects or the Braves? St. Louis has 11 more guys (40 total) that are written up here, but none of them are better than 40. Initially, I think 6 guys with greater upside has more value than 11 more guys where you have a bunch more that aren’t even 40s.
But let’s take a look.
Using Fangraphs’ own values for prospects, the Braves 11-onward prospects are worth $39 million (this ignores 35+ prospects that are not valued by Fangraphs). The Cardinals are at $43 million, so yes they are higher. Pittsburgh is at $32 million, The Reds are also at $39 million. The Cubs and Brewers aren’t close.
So just going by this, the Braves are tied for second among the six teams profiled so far, not far behind the deep Cardinals system and well ahead of the other three outside of the Reds.
Still not convinced this will end up proving true. We will see.
Fair point, sir. I haven’t done any kind of analysis, but I tend to think that I’d take the Braves 11-29 prospects over that of most other MLB teams.
I love these breakdowns! Two potential errors though – not sure why Toussaint and Soroka are listed as highest level AAA on the chart when they both played in the majors (briefly) in 2018.
Gohara in the BSOHL? Rookie of the year candidate incoming! Cy Young candidate even!
But for real, I really like his stuff, and before the injury and death in his family last year, he was the Baby Brave arm I liked most. I think the size and stuff really do compare similarly to Sabbathia, though I have no idea how CC was scouted. I was just a kid when he was starting out, but I do know he was a first round pick.
It’s definitely a good system, still. Here’s a fun game: Take two minor-league systems other than the Braves. Count up their pitching prospects. Combined, are their pitching prospects better than the Braves? I would guess that for most combinations, the answer is no.
(I bet you could do it with some combination of the Rays, Padres, and White Sox. Beyond that, I’m not sure you can.)
You touched on one of my fears with the international sanctions. Yes, it seems silly to worry so much about the lower levels of the system drying out, when there is so much highly regarded talent already in AA and above. But the Braves like most mid-market organizations will only sustain success with a continuous influx of controllable talent. The competitive window is open now. But those sanctions will start to have an impact in about 4 to 5 years when the Braves need to refresh the Major League squad and find their options limited. Worst case scenario, the Braves may have to engage in another complete tear down and rebuild following the 2024 season.
A couple of thoughts on Pache vs. Waters: It is an interesting debate for what it reveals about the analyst. I think I’m higher on Waters, but I’m not sure it’s the right call.
It’s hard to get a good read on Pache’s hitting. I feel like a lot of people are dreaming on him becoming Kiermaier, or Lorenzo Cain, or Jackie Bradley Jr, or the version of Buxton we saw that was good. But JBJ and Buxton both crushed minors pitching, Kiermaier did much better than Pache too, and Cain took years to find his footing in the majors and become an above-average hitter. For whatever reason, Pache’s sheer hitting talent isn’t enough to overpower his issues, which doesn’t bode well. For this, I think there’s a somewhat narrower band of outcomes, with the best case scenario being Inciarte (who managed to keep himself about average throughout the minors and major leagues) and the median outcome being someone like Pillar.
Waters, on the other hand, doesn’t have Pache’s elite fielding but it sure seems like he can stick in center field and his hitting for a 19-year old was just awesome, and it’s particularly remarkable since he’s a switch-hitter (got to maintain both swings). The guy looks like a potential top-of-the-order hitter of some type, and those are incredibly valuable guys to have. To me, both he and Pache look like high-floor players, but Waters is the one who could be a potential star.
If this is true, why does he only have a 70/70 fielding? Isn’t “the best in the game” the definition of an 80 grade?
I know that’s nit picking and I still love these writeups, just trying to educate myself a bit more on how to interpret these reports.
part I had to read twice was two LHPs with 70 Grade power. Thats incredible
I love that hidden in the system depths there are multiple guys who were/are once bigger names that have had their stock fall and Atlanta is trying to fix them.
Okay, so that’s why we traded Jackson. Really sick of how bad of a job the Mariners do with developing prospects:( I listened to a podcast with Eric and JJ Cooper about the Mariners system and he mentioned how teams play more of a role messing up prospect development than people would think.
You may want to unlock Mike Soroka’s MLB achievement status.
Add Toussaint to that as well.
On one hand, Pache is as old as a college sophomore. On the other hand has three full professional seasons under his belt and many years of pro instruction. I don’t think he has much in common developmentally with a college sophomore, nor the potential for growth that some kid that hasn’t broken out yet would have. We have seen many times over the past decade – if you bloom early, you usually don’t continue to bloom like the rest of your peers. I think we have a pretty good idea of what he is, which is likely a defense first CF. Maybe he is Andrelton Simmons of the outfield, where he will alternate between worthless and solid offensive production. He sounds a lot like Ender to me.
You mean Ender, a perennial 3-win player? Yeah, I’ll take 18 WAR over Pache’s team control year. Anyone who considers that a disappointment doesn’t get it.
Is prospect spin rate data public at all? I get the feeling that we are talking way too much about something that we don’t understand very well and I would like to find a way to try to measure the accountability. To me, it seems like people make statements and then support them with facts (spin rate), but I am not so sure how factual spin rates are (doppler radar accuracy, effective spin, one-size-fits all models). The potential for creating a vortex of BS is non-zero.
I love comparing different prospect lists for systems like this:
Sickels @ MinorLeagueBall has the top 15 as:
1. Anderson
2. myShoroka
3. Touki
4. Wright
5.Allard
6. Riley
7.Pache
8. Gohoho
9. Wilson
10. Waters
11. Muller
12. Wentz
13. Contreresasres
14. Beck
15. Parsons
Sorry, not meaning to cross-promote. I just find a few differences compelling (Pache, Touki, Allard in particular). Although, as you say you can arrange the top in a number of ways 🙂
that’s because Sickels still hasn’t been introduced to wRC+, WAR, UZR, the positional adjustment, the concept of scarcity, isolated power, slugging percentage, OBP, and probably even the word ‘sabermetrics.’
Yeah, Kolby Allard and his 88 MPH fastball has a better future outlook than Cristian Pache. Good call, bro.
Sickles worked with Bill James for years. If you actually read one of his books, yeah, the guy isn’t stuck in the baseball Stone Age. Floored by the quality of work Kiley and Eric produce here, but John has a useful perspective of his own and a ton of experience .
Sickels is savvy, and good at finding “Fringe Five” like guys–guys who have promising statistical resumes. He gets it. Sadly, he got laid off, so Minor League Ball is currently on hiatus.
No disrespect to any outlet that releases free rankings that are much more insightful, accurate and insightful than anything I could ever do – but – IMO Sickels is the #1 ML evaluator. He’s fantastic. Others are great. He’s better – better than Prospectus, BA, 361, and even FG. MAYBE KATOH was better – the only system that could recognize the Hoskin’s of the world. But that’s gone, and John was the best left, and now he’s gone. Go back and look at the last 15 handbooks and all the archived top prospect lists on his website if you’re not sure. Even if you don’t agree with my assessment that he’s the best, you’re sure to agree that he doesn’t deserve to be insulted by someone who calls himself butter.
Sickels is outstanding. He had to cut back after a concussion, and the volume and depth of what he could produce pales in comparison to what Eric and Kiley do. But he bucks consensus and has data to back up his reasons…I think he’s one of the best around. Some of the things he looked for are similar to what KATOH honed in on. I hope he lands on his feet somewhere.
Agreed, Sickels is both the best and my favorite prospect writer of all time. Guy got buried by the deluge of prospect obsessed yoots, many for whom he was the OG, during the early 2000s but he “got it.” I always enjoyed how when guys like Jason Parks were POW BAM-ming their writeups, Sickels kept it non-sensationalist too. Reeeeeaaaaaaaallly hope he finds a spot soon into 2019
One year I tried to mix as many lists as I could (Fangraphs, Sickels, MLB.com, BA, etc) into one master list. The plan was to follow the players and see who is best.
But yea, tracking >600 players in Excel….got in the way.
Tony Graffanino’s kid is a professional ballplayer now? Feeling real old here.
How is Pache, the best defensive CF in all of baseball, a “70” fielder? Is it that his mix of speed/fielding/arm is what gets him there?
I have watched this whole rebuild since the beginning(life long Braves fan, born and raised) and I am so excited about the talent in this system. We are just loaded with huge upside in pitching, and have some quality position players as well. I am a big prospects/Minor League fan and watching the development of Pache and Waters has been amazing. I cannot wait to see how these guys turn out, big fan of both. I like Waters hit tool the best, but to me, Pace has the most upside and could really be a perennial star, as could Waters.
Then there’s Austin Riley, and Contreras. Graffanino and Alexander are also very intriguing to me as well. I had been looking forward to this write up and I largely agree with everything written. Hoping for a healthy Soroka, and I too feel that Gohara is preparing for a break out season next April. It’s good days for us Braves fans, great job on the prospect analysis!
Great work as always on these. I still have questions about your command grade philosophy. After never posting a bb/9 above 2 in the minors, Soroka just ran a 2.45 bb/9 through 25.2 innings in the bigs as a 21 year old. That’s nearly a full bb/9 lower than league average. That’s near guys like Paxton, Nola, Keuchel, and Price and you hand a 45/55 on his command? I get that command isn’t the same as walk rate, but it’s hard to understand why you don’t have much variance on command in your prospect ratings. Trey Riley’s present 35 to Allard’s present 50 (he of the higher bb rate at every level to his draft mate)? Can you help explain further? Thanks!
On Allard specifically: if your stuff is too hittable, batters aren’t going to wait around for ball four.
I remember someone at BA saying years ago that you could think of control vs. command as accuracy vs. precision. Control is ability to hit the strike zone consistently, while command is precisely locating within the zone. A pitcher can run low walk rates but that doesn’t necessarily means he can command the strike zone.
That’s a helpful distinction and one I think Kiley and Eric have mentioned too. I’m still a bit skeptical that Soroka has below average present command. Running that low a walk rate with less than overpowering stuff but still getting outs would seem to indicate he had better command than his walk rate would show. My other question about the range of measurable/gradable outcomes still stands. Is it just a matter of command being difficult to gauge and therefore you just have a very tight distribution? Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of using standard deviations to differentiate the grades between prospects?
To call drafting Austin Riley a “gamble” because the Braves drafted him several rounds ahead of where other teams had him slotted is unfair to the Braves scouts. Maybe the fact that they clearly saw talent far better than the other clubs could be the reason this system looks so stacked. Also give the Braves credit for not having the Northeast bias and picking Ian Anderson, from upstate New York, with the 3rd overall pick, lest we forget that the only honest reason that Mike Trout was passed over by so many teams was because he came from the northeast.
Thanks for the heads up on Contreras last winter!
Agreed, Sickels is both the best and my favorite prospect writer of all time. Guy got buried by the deluge of prospect obsessed yoots, many for whom he was the OG, during the early 2000s but he “got it.” I always enjoyed how when guys like Jason Parks were POW BAM-ming their writeups, Sickels kept it non-sensationalist too. Reeeeeaaaaaaaallly hope he finds a spot early into 2019